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Black Friday is the day that online gambling took the biggest hit ever from the United States government. On April 11, 2011, the Department of Justice released indictments against three of the largest online casinos sites charging them with operating illegal gambling businesses and violations to the UIGEA. Casinos dedicate a lot of resources to catching cheaters, and they are usually pretty good at doing so. However, throughout history there have been a few cases of people who have won fortunes by cheating. Many of these have been caught eventually, but some of them have gotten away with it completely. Of course, the most successful cheaters are.
What should you do when you are being cheated by the casino? I was at the Sands in Pennsylvania and I was playing craps. I made a horn bet. The pit boss says no bet and it wasn't set up. When a place number hit, I ask for my money back and he said he booked my bet. Of course I started arguing but caught myself. I let it go & continued to gamble. Then i had $5 on all the hardways. They switched dealers and i called off on my place numbers. The hard10's hit & i got paid. Then it hit again and my hardways was turned off. I asked them who turned it off. They said I did when my place numbers were turned off. At that point I should have gotten the hint & left but I stayed. Now -$1500 later I'm wondering why didnt i leave? Has anyone experience this? What did you do ?Parlay is the name of the game... Using their money to make money will be your train to fame!
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What should you do when you are being cheated by the casino? I was at the Sands in Pennsylvania and I was playing craps. I made a horn bet. The pit boss says no bet and it wasn't set up. When a place number hit, I ask for my money back and he said he booked my bet. Of course I started arguing but caught myself. I let it go & continued to gamble. Then i had $5 on all the hardways. They switched dealers and i called off on my place numbers. The hard10's hit & i got paid. Then it hit again and my hardways was turned off. I asked them who turned it off. They said I did when my place numbers were turned off. At that point I should have gotten the hint & left but I stayed. Now -$1500 later I'm wondering why didnt i leave? Has anyone experience this? What did you do ?
I was standing right across from 'Parlay' when this happened and will vouch for everything he wrote. The cheating in Bethlehem Sands is really bad. Parlay threw in $10 for a Horn Bet and the Pit Boss yelled 'Late Bet, No Bet'.. a '10' hit and the Pitboss said he 'booked the bet' and took down the horn bet. It was absolutely disgusting!
The Hardway bet/non bet was hysterical! The Dealer had just paid him (Parlay) on a hardway bet the roll before..now they claim his hardway bet was 'off' when it hit again . They tried the same thing with me a few rolls later. I told the dealer 'Place Bets off' 'Hardways always work'. Right before I threw the dice, I saw an 'off' button on the hardways..I stopped my roll and asked 'why were the hardways off?' the pit boss said 'he was playing with the off button'!
Later that day. The guy who made $6,500 off a $300 original buy-in (I posted about him on an earlier post today) made a Field Bet of $500, he put 20 $25 chips on the field BEFORE the dice was in the shooter's hand. I guess the casino was upset that the guy had the greatest timing ever on field bets..because the pit boss yelled 'No bet' even though the dice was still not in the shooter's hands. The shooter hit a '9' which would have paid the field.
Not sure if this qualifies as 'cheating' but I found it to be unethical because they were booking REAL late bets all day and seemed to invite them by not complaining. Not saying there is a correlation because most of the late bets that occurred preceded 7-outs but that's exactly what I am saying.
This is the problem with 'stand alone casinos', they know you can't go next door to another casino so they can do a lot of unethical things.
Craps is the most 'Jekyll and Hyde' casino game ever invented!
Paigowdan
On the voting options, you left out 'post the incident on an Internet forum.'Forums such as this do help.
Do note the time and day of the event, the crew members involved, - and write the casino that their employees were not only caught defrauding customers, but their cheating actions were the cause of bad press. Also cc the gaming commission for the jurisdiction involved of the incident.
Tolerance of dishonest play is a non-starter for a casino operator, whether crew or customer.
There should be a 'Consumers' Report' type effort for this. This place comes close.
Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes - Henry David Thoreau. Like Dealers' uniforms - Dan.
CrapsForever
Bethlehem Sands 5/25
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On my first comeout roll; I bet $5 Horn High Aces..threw a 2, got paid $56..I threw in an additional $5 and stated..'Press my Horn High Aces to $10', the next roll was a 3, the box paid me $12..they said 'you never pressed your bet'..I became very upset because I clearly pressed my bet. They did not book the bet.
On my next attempt..I threw in $11 and said 'Hop 7's for $2 each with a $5 Horn high Aces. The box called out '$5 Horn High Aces' with the stick man banking my $6; I stopped the game before throwing and said 'Why are you banking my $6?' I clearly stated 'Hop the 7's for $2 each and you looked right at me and said..okay'.. they booked the bet.
Later that night during a roll, I threw in $11 and said 'Hop the 5 & 9 with a $5 Horn High Aces'..the box booked the 5 & 9 for $1 each with a $5 Horn High Aces..Again the stick tried to bank $2 before the next throw, I got into a very HEATED argument with the Pit Boss about continued misplaced bets by the dealers especially the stick.I screamed 'I just threw you $11, why do you keep banking chips???' The PIT BOSS argued with me that I was not throwing in the appropriate amount of $$$. I screamed back 'it's your job to book bets and give back change', 'you do the math.book my bets and give me back my change' They booked the bet.
Regarding both of the 'hot shooters'; one (Shooter A) threw the dice randomly and was just a lucky SOB..on the first table when I was there..he did not make a single point but hit lots of hardways..A player (Non-shooter) had $25 on all hardways..the hard 8 was hit; he pressed his Hard 4, 6, 10 to $50 and $75 on the Hard 8, the box booked the bet correctly and verbally said '$50 on all hardways, $75 on the hard 8' Shooter A hit every single hardway (4,6,10)..when he hit the Hard 8, there was only $50 on the Hard 8 for the NON-Shooter; this was a LIE; it was clearly $75 that the guy pressed it up to..a few minutes earlier (the entire table confirmed it)..argument was started (justifiably)..game was paused..this was intentional by the box.the Pit Boss said 'We'll pay you for a $50 Hard 8, then check surveillance for the remaining $25. Arguments on craps table almost always leads to a 7 on the very next roll. I called 'off' on my bets..hopped the 7's right away for $3 each..next roll was a SEVEN! I was so mad about the box messing up the game..I left the table. An hour later; Shooter A goes on a 30 minute roll but there is no room for me to get back in. BIG freaking mistake; I had identified a lucky shooter but left the table because the box was cheating. I caused myself money by leaving the table!
Now on a different table, shooter B who is a 'dice setter'..Mini V (2's) setter is hitting hardways like CRAZY..I made $300 on a total of an original $10 placed on hardways in minutes..he hit the Hard 6 three times in a few rolls; I pressed from $5 to $10 to $15..making more than $200 in a few rolls. When I pressed the Hard 6 to $15; somehow there was only $10 placed on it..the next time the Hard 6 was hit during the flow of the game..argument was started..this was intentional by the box..game was paused..I called 'off' on my bets..hopped the 7's for $5 each, next roll: SEVEN!
Shooter A comes over to my table..I tell the player next to me..that guy is a very lucky shooter..'get ready to make money'. I bet all the hardways $5 each.bet $18 on the 6 and 8..then hopped the 5's and 9's for $1 each and bet a $2 C&E. Shooter A hit SIX 9's in a ROW (I was getting back $10 per roll)after the 6th 9 in a row; I threw in $7 and clearly stated 'Make my $2 C&E a $5 Horn and press my Hop 5's and 9's to $2 each. The next roll was a 9 (SEVEN 9's in a row), the box paid me $7 instead of $22, they never booked my additional hop bets..I honestly tried not to make a scene but I had just thrown in the money for the bet the roll before and this was getting ridiculous..now there were doing the BS yet again. I said very loudly 'everybody, I would call off your bets if I were you, the BS is starting again', I took down my $18 (6&8) and hopped the 7's for $5 each..next roll (SEVEN)! UNBELIEVABLE! 3 good rolls by 2 players all ended the same way within a 45 minute period .with the casino 'misplacing' bets. I left the Casino down $100 but after being down $500 an hour earlier; I felt like a winner!
I highly advise you..once an argument starts on a craps table..'call off your bets'..this was the most horrible intentional display I have ever seen in my 12 years of playing craps at a casino. Everybody makes mistakes but 8 mistakes on 3 different craps tables in 2 hours reeks to me of a systematic move by a Casino to cheat players or intentionally destroy the 'flow of a game'.
CASINO MISPLACING BETS INTENTIONALLY?
On my first comeout roll; I bet $5 Horn High Aces..threw a 2, got paid $56..I threw in an additional $5 and stated..'Press my Horn High Aces to $10', the next roll was a 3, the box paid me $12..they said 'you never pressed your bet'..I became very upset because I clearly pressed my bet. They did not book the bet.
On my next attempt..I threw in $11 and said 'Hop 7's for $2 each with a $5 Horn high Aces. The box called out '$5 Horn High Aces' with the stick man banking my $6; I stopped the game before throwing and said 'Why are you banking my $6?' I clearly stated 'Hop the 7's for $2 each and you looked right at me and said..okay'.. they booked the bet.
Later that night during a roll, I threw in $11 and said 'Hop the 5 & 9 with a $5 Horn High Aces'..the box booked the 5 & 9 for $1 each with a $5 Horn High Aces..Again the stick tried to bank $2 before the next throw, I got into a very HEATED argument with the Pit Boss about continued misplaced bets by the dealers especially the stick.I screamed 'I just threw you $11, why do you keep banking chips???' The PIT BOSS argued with me that I was not throwing in the appropriate amount of $$$. I screamed back 'it's your job to book bets and give back change', 'you do the math.book my bets and give me back my change' They booked the bet.
Regarding both of the 'hot shooters'; one (Shooter A) threw the dice randomly and was just a lucky SOB..on the first table when I was there..he did not make a single point but hit lots of hardways..A player (Non-shooter) had $25 on all hardways..the hard 8 was hit; he pressed his Hard 4, 6, 10 to $50 and $75 on the Hard 8, the box booked the bet correctly and verbally said '$50 on all hardways, $75 on the hard 8' Shooter A hit every single hardway (4,6,10)..when he hit the Hard 8, there was only $50 on the Hard 8 for the NON-Shooter; this was a LIE; it was clearly $75 that the guy pressed it up to..a few minutes earlier (the entire table confirmed it)..argument was started (justifiably)..game was paused..this was intentional by the box.the Pit Boss said 'We'll pay you for a $50 Hard 8, then check surveillance for the remaining $25. Arguments on craps table almost always leads to a 7 on the very next roll. I called 'off' on my bets..hopped the 7's right away for $3 each..next roll was a SEVEN! I was so mad about the box messing up the game..I left the table. An hour later; Shooter A goes on a 30 minute roll but there is no room for me to get back in. BIG freaking mistake; I had identified a lucky shooter but left the table because the box was cheating. I caused myself money by leaving the table!
Now on a different table, shooter B who is a 'dice setter'..Mini V (2's) setter is hitting hardways like CRAZY..I made $300 on a total of an original $10 placed on hardways in minutes..he hit the Hard 6 three times in a few rolls; I pressed from $5 to $10 to $15..making more than $200 in a few rolls. When I pressed the Hard 6 to $15; somehow there was only $10 placed on it..the next time the Hard 6 was hit during the flow of the game..argument was started..this was intentional by the box..game was paused..I called 'off' on my bets..hopped the 7's for $5 each, next roll: SEVEN!
Shooter A comes over to my table..I tell the player next to me..that guy is a very lucky shooter..'get ready to make money'. I bet all the hardways $5 each.bet $18 on the 6 and 8..then hopped the 5's and 9's for $1 each and bet a $2 C&E. Shooter A hit SIX 9's in a ROW (I was getting back $10 per roll)after the 6th 9 in a row; I threw in $7 and clearly stated 'Make my $2 C&E a $5 Horn and press my Hop 5's and 9's to $2 each. The next roll was a 9 (SEVEN 9's in a row), the box paid me $7 instead of $22, they never booked my additional hop bets..I honestly tried not to make a scene but I had just thrown in the money for the bet the roll before and this was getting ridiculous..now there were doing the BS yet again. I said very loudly 'everybody, I would call off your bets if I were you, the BS is starting again', I took down my $18 (6&8) and hopped the 7's for $5 each..next roll (SEVEN)! UNBELIEVABLE! 3 good rolls by 2 players all ended the same way within a 45 minute period .with the casino 'misplacing' bets. I left the Casino down $100 but after being down $500 an hour earlier; I felt like a winner!
I highly advise you..once an argument starts on a craps table..'call off your bets'..this was the most horrible intentional display I have ever seen in my 12 years of playing craps at a casino. Everybody makes mistakes but 8 mistakes on 3 different craps tables in 2 hours reeks to me of a systematic move by a Casino to cheat players or intentionally destroy the 'flow of a game'.
I wrote about my experience with (Misplaced Bets, Cheating) at Bethlehem Sands on Friday May 25. On Saturday May 26, a few other people had similar experiences involving blatant 'cheating' by the same Casino. I ensured all of my bets were booked and placed accurately on the felt before every dice roll. I know a couple of dealers were upset that I was being so deliberate repeating my bets verbally multiple times but I wanted to make sure bets were placed accurately. Some dealers have a lot on their plate and tend to 'forget' a bet especially when it hits if it's not placed appropriately on the felt. ALWAYS ensure your bet is booked accurately and placed in its right area and make sure you get a verbal acknolowdgement BEFORE the next roll.
Parlay,
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Craps is the most 'Jekyll and Hyde' casino game ever invented!
Parlay
On the voting options, you left out 'post the incident on an Internet forum.'
Forums such as this do help.
Do note the time and day of the event, the crew members involved, - and write the casino that their employees were not only caught defrauding customers, but their cheating actions were the cause of bad press. Also cc the gaming commission for the jurisdiction involved of the incident.
Tolerance of dishonest play is a non-starter for a casino operator, whether crew or customer.
There should be a 'Consumers' Report' type effort for this. This place comes close.
Forums such as this do help.
Do note the time and day of the event, the crew members involved, - and write the casino that their employees were not only caught defrauding customers, but their cheating actions were the cause of bad press. Also cc the gaming commission for the jurisdiction involved of the incident.
Tolerance of dishonest play is a non-starter for a casino operator, whether crew or customer.
There should be a 'Consumers' Report' type effort for this. This place comes close.
You are definately right a Consumer Report would definately help us. Next time something like this happens I will report it then stop playing at that table. Hopefully they will take notice if enough people complain!
Parlay is the name of the game... Using their money to make money will be your train to fame!
DJTeddyBear
I know I'm grasping at straws, and am in the minority for trying to defend the casino, but..Is there any chance that the 'no bet' horn, was actually a 'no bet' for a different player? One who threw his bet in after you threw in your horn?
Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? ? Note that the same could be said for Religion. I.E. Religion is nothing more than organized superstition. ?
Parlay
I know I'm grasping at straws, and am in the minority for trying to defend the casino, but..
Is there any chance that the 'no bet' horn, was actually a 'no bet' for a different player? One who threw his bet in after you threw in your horn?
Is there any chance that the 'no bet' horn, was actually a 'no bet' for a different player? One who threw his bet in after you threw in your horn?
No chance because they would have set up my bet. No one else threw in money! I am attune to things like that. I made my bet while dice was in the middle and the dice was being taken to the shooter with the stick. I was mad enough that they said no bet and didn't set up my bet. I was then irate when they said they booked my bet! To add insult to injury the dealer standing next to me tried to talk with me after that saying if it would have hit I would want to get paid! I told her you don't have anything to say to me be quiet!
Parlay is the name of the game... Using their money to make money will be your train to fame!
DJTeddyBear
No chance because they would have set up my bet.
You've never seen a bet get booked without the chips being set up properly? I see it all the time, particularly with late bets.
Quote: Parlay
I made my bet while dice was in the middle and the dice was being taken to the shooter with the stick.
Wait a sec.Were the dice in the middle or not? You're contradicting yourself.
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It seems like you made a late bet.
Of course, that doesn't forgive the casino from taking the chips after calling the bet off.
Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? ? Note that the same could be said for Religion. I.E. Religion is nothing more than organized superstition. ?
Parlay
The dice were in the middle! The pit boss said no bet as the dice were being moves to the shooter. I have seen late beta booked however never seen them specifically say no bet and steal someone's moneyParlay is the name of the game... Using their money to make money will be your train to fame!
teddys
Craps players calling bets 'on' or 'off' can often get lost in the commotion of a hot roll or crowded table. Benevolent box persons will give players the benefit of the doubt but most won't. They will never contradict a dealer. Sometimes it is better to just go with the 'default' whether it is 'hardways off on the come out' or the opposite. Better yet, don't make any center bets.'Dice, verily, are armed with goads and driving-hooks, deceiving and tormenting, causing grievous woe.' -Rig Veda 10.34.4
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